In a meeting in 1978, Mr Kiuchi said: 'Today's economics is based on figures, so it cannot deal with the hearts of people,' 'Everything is determined by the quantity of goods. There are many proofs that you cannot consider life only in terms of quantity. Of course, economics must deal with material goods. But we can add the world of the heart, of how people feel. You must add to the science of material things the science of human nature.'